Elephant Ears

This blog is dedicated to the political happenings in the Valley and Southwest Virginia. As the the name implies, this blog will have posts based on what is heard by this elephant's (GOPer's) ears. It is also a great treat to get while at the county fair or a carnival.

Saturday, August 20, 2005

Poll Info

A few people in the blogosphere have been discussing a poll taken by the Matt Lohr campaign. Apparently, someone is leaking info to the Republitarian, and possibly others. Some people ("serious lady" for instance) have voiced their displeasure with the idea that someone the campaign trusts with information is giving it to outside sources.
I will say this, I myself have tried to find out the results of the recent poll, for only my own information, not to post or tell anyone. I have been unsuccessful (even though I have not tried very hard). As a donor and volunteer for the campaign, it angers me to think that I am not given information such as this, but a person that is not so friendly to Matt is privy to the results of the poll. I cannot confirm people such as Republitarian have been given those results, but they seem to act like they did get the info.
A word to the campaign: shut the hell up about this stuff. If you aren't going to tell your allies what the results of the poll were, certainly don't tell your enemies.
IF no one is leaking info, I apologize in advance.

28 Comments:

  • At 8/20/2005 1:08 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Grow up time GOPHokie,
    The Lohr campaign doesn't care about you, they are just using you.
    Think back to the near riot when Obenshain used dirty tricks to get the nomination. Make no mistake, Obenshain is in charge here and all he cares about is winning no matter what lies Lohr is forced to tell or who they have to roll over. I would advise you not to get in the way because you are just a convenient tool for them right now, if you become inconvenient or bothersome (too many questions) you'll be squashed like a bug, you're already shut out. Like I said, grow up, welcome to politics the Obenshain way......

     
  • At 8/20/2005 1:17 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

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  • At 8/20/2005 1:26 PM, Blogger GOPHokie said…

    The point I was making is that if they won't tell me what the poll results are, why will they tell a non-supporter of Lohr. I realize I'm nothing special to the campaign.

     
  • At 8/20/2005 2:00 PM, Anonymous saywhat? said…

    Republitarian says he never said he knew the numbers. My guess is he doesn't and is just over-hearing talk and reporting it. So perhaps there aren't "leaks" so much as "loose lips," that may or may not be speaking any truth. I also think it's possible that "serious lady" is not a loyal R but someone getting a kick out of fanning the flame of loyal R worries about this race.

     
  • At 8/20/2005 2:13 PM, Anonymous saywhat? said…

    Sorry, I hit "publish" too soon.

    What cannot be underestimated here is Mark Obenshain's role in everything. It all IS about Mark, at least in his eyes ... that Lohr is even running (as a second choice when Mark correctly deemed Elledge a loser) ... that Saxman (the hard-working delegate from Staunton) will have to delay his statewide run (though he's been serving longer than Mark) so that Mark can make his first. The Obenshain Family is in charge. If Lohr loses, which is very, very possible, folks, then the Obenshains lose some of their grip on the state party.

    There are Rs who know this and would welcome a loosened grip. They also see that Fulk isn't Satan, but in fact a good guy. So maybe these Rs are the ones talking out of turn, and maybe they don't even know what they're talking about.

    Maybe all this weekend Republitarian has been laughing, laughing at all the nuttiness just from a few little blog postings that really didn't say anything for sure. I kinda have.

     
  • At 8/20/2005 2:30 PM, Blogger GOPHokie said…

    You make a very good point saywhat. I think what we have here is a combination of everything you said. Obviously Mark is going to try to get Matt elected, so he will have another ally in the GA.
    I don't think Obenshain will run for state office in 09 though. I have heard alot of talk about that issue, but there is still alot of time between now and then.

     
  • At 8/20/2005 2:39 PM, Anonymous saywhat? said…

    GOPHokie,

    Many of us wouldn't see Matt as Mark's GA "ally" but as his minion. Big difference. Mark is why Matt is running. And perhaps one reason Lowell didn't become a Republican was he didn't want to be anybody's yes man.

    Hot in Blacksburg? It's scorchin' up here!!!

     
  • At 8/20/2005 4:16 PM, Blogger GOPHokie said…

    Actually the temp is pretty reasonable down here today.

     
  • At 8/20/2005 5:01 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Lowell was an independent, and ONLY became a Democrat b/c he had not paid his dues within the GOP, and the Democrats in the Valley were such a minority that they were happy to have him. Had he become a Republican, he would not immediately have been chosen to run for Delegate and he could do as a Dem.

     
  • At 8/20/2005 5:13 PM, Blogger GOPHokie said…

    Here is my question, regardless of how you feel about about Fulk, why did he run as a Dem? If he is in fact an independent, I think he would have had a much better chance of winning doing it that way. Like it or not, there are tons of people who will vote against a democrat in the valley. I personally have never talked to Mr. Fulk, but if I was in his shoes, I would run as an independent.

     
  • At 8/20/2005 5:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Horse feathers on why Lowell became a Dem!! With Weatherholtz retiring, he would have only had to wait two more years and had certain victory. Get real. Becoming an R would have been the easy way into the GA.

    Lowell has told me why he chose to be a Dem. Because it was a private conversation that is not very flattering to some local Rs, I'll keep it private. On his site in the Eighty-one interview, he talks about why he became a Dem ... partially because he was recruited by Mark Warner and partially because he didn't think the Republian domination in the GA was a good thing.

    What dues has Matt paid? Sitting at Mark's feet begging for attention?

    Some of you just cannot give Fulk his due. He's a great candidate. One the Rs don't own.

     
  • At 8/20/2005 5:39 PM, Anonymous saywhat? said…

    Mark Warner's $ goes to Dem's, not Ind's ... some people will voting Dem for the first time in their lives this November, true enough.

     
  • At 8/20/2005 9:30 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    GOPHokie,
    You say that you have never talked with Fulk? Then why do you outright support Lohr? How do you know who would best represent you if you haven't even bothered to ask the other candidate a question? What the heck is that?

     
  • At 8/21/2005 6:16 AM, Anonymous saywhat? said…

    C'mon, you mean you personally interview every local candidate? GOPHokie is a partisan. He's gonna vote Republican.

     
  • At 8/21/2005 10:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    fair question. What is your answer GOHokie?

     
  • At 8/21/2005 10:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    So hokie, what you're saying is that you're supporting lohr simply "because he's a republican" and not because he's the best qualified? Talk to fulk, you might find that he better represents what you think good government should be than your boy lohr. And you might not, but the bottom line is we have all got to get beyond this party crap.

     
  • At 8/21/2005 10:26 AM, Blogger GOPHokie said…

    I support Lohr because I am a Republican and he supports limited gov't and is a social conservative. Yes I am a partisan and it would take an unusual situation for me to vote for a dem over a GOP (except in county elections or something). I also think Mark has good ideas, so if Matt will be his puppet like you all say, he will do what I think too.
    I'm not saying Fulk will necessarily do a bad job, but unless Lohr gives me a reason to not support him, I'm going to.
    As to why Matt needs to stress being a GOPer, alot of people vote on party SOLELY. I do check out the Republicans and make sure I agree with them, but most people vote only on party. In Rockingham, there are a hell of alot more GOPs than dems. I am saying in order for Lohr to win, he needs to make sure everyone knows hes a GOPer and that Fulk is a dem. That should be strategy point number one for his campaign.
    Like or not folks, thats one major key in Lohr winning this election.

     
  • At 8/21/2005 10:27 AM, Blogger GOPHokie said…

    Sorry I didn't answer til now, but this is the first time I have been on the computer since yesterday afternoon.

     
  • At 8/21/2005 10:43 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    OK Hokie, let's try it this way. If the party labels were reversed and everything else were to stay the same, you would be saying that Fulk is the best candidate and Lohr should not be elected because of the party he runs for?

     
  • At 8/21/2005 10:53 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Limited government? Gilmore increased both the scope and size of centralized govt. Warner has reduced it. Fulk has raised hell about Richmond telling us what to do for more years than matthew has been involved at all.

     
  • At 8/21/2005 12:22 PM, Blogger GOPHokie said…

    If the stances were the same as they are right now, I don't know. Fulk is still not very big on social issues. I realize he wants to talk about all the other things like domestic violence and alcoholism, but gay marriage and guns mean more to me than those do. I don't really know very much about his fiscal stances.
    Look folks, I never claimed to be a "vote for the person, not the party" type of guy. I'm saying I agree w/ everything Lohr says, and I am concerned about a few of Fulks stances. I don't know what I would do if the parties were reversed.

     
  • At 8/21/2005 6:56 PM, Blogger Not Larry Sabato said…

    GOP Hokie, delete those advertisements.

     
  • At 8/21/2005 8:58 PM, Anonymous saywhat? said…

    GOPHokie,

    You say gay marriage and guns (presumably gun rights) mean more to you than domestic violence and alcoholism. You mean that you know more people whose lives have been ruined by the former than the latter? What world do you live in, friend?

    Nobody is going to take your guns, despite the NRA's efforts to scare you. As for gay marriage, in 50 years (maybe sooner) we'll be as embarrassed by our time spent fighting this as we are about the way we resisted segregation.

    Let's deal with some real problems!! Can I get a witness?

     
  • At 8/21/2005 9:02 PM, Anonymous saywhat? said…

    Oops, I meant "resisted desegregation." Sorry.

     
  • At 8/21/2005 11:27 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    GOPHokie,
    Specifically.... Do you support Matt's stand on denying little children a meal?
    And when you say that "guns" are important to you, have you even asked where either lohr or fulk are on the issue? Fulk is a gun owner, does Lohr even own any at all? Perhaps you should become better informed!.... What would you think about a shooting match between the two? Why are you so willing to be used by Lohr?

     
  • At 8/22/2005 1:00 AM, Blogger GOPHokie said…

    Because I am a Republican hack who hates everyone except GOPers. Thats why I support Matt Lohr. What do you guys want from me? You can't tell me I'm the only person in the world who supports candidates b/c of their party affliation.
    I am a Republican. As long as I agree with the GOP candidate, I am going to support them. I don't care who the other candidates are.
    Don't act like I'm the only person who acts this way. Right or wrong, thats the way I am.
    As to all of you Fulk supporters, why do you support him? B/c he's a dem? B/c he's a "conservative"? What?

     
  • At 8/22/2005 6:03 AM, Anonymous Charles said…

    Because quite simply, he (Fulk) is the best man for the job. On all levels. And by the way, I have a "Republicans for Fulk" sticker on my car if that tells you anything. Blind party loyalty is plain wrong. This election will be a true test of people's judgement. Do they want the best individual?
    You probably shouldn't speak with Fulk, it would just create furthur doubts for you.

     
  • At 8/22/2005 6:22 AM, Anonymous saywhat? said…

    Gophokie,

    I don't mean to be picking on you or putting you in the defensive, but that "right or wrong, that's the way I am" is exactly what's worries me about with the partisanship that you and many others practice.

    Right or wrong? Is is all about winning? Is is ever about thinking?

    You seem smart and kind. I'm not saying that you'll come to Fulk's side if you do think this through. But Lohr being the Republican should hardly be the only reason he gets votes.

    Take care!

     

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