Anything New?
It has been a relatively quiet week in the political world.
I was just wondering if anyone has seen or heard anything.
Lohr is now running TV ads. Has anyone seen Fulk ads yet?
Also, does anyone know if there will be anymore polls in the 26th?
The poll that was just released was from mid-August, so it still is not going to be a real accurate picture of the electorate.
I haven't seen anything interesting going on here in SWVA either (except Hokie football, which is now ranked 3rd in both polls).
UPDATE: Republitarian says Fulk has begun his TV ads as well. He defines them as "Fulk Bombs Lohr". Here is the link to view the ad (its 4.9 MB, so if you don't have a high-speed connection, I apologize).
Its a pretty well balanced ad. It shows you Fulk and him saving the Hinton poultry plant, and also gives you the rundown of Matt's missed meetings.
I guess this answers the question as to whether Fulk will run negative ads.
I was just wondering if anyone has seen or heard anything.
Lohr is now running TV ads. Has anyone seen Fulk ads yet?
Also, does anyone know if there will be anymore polls in the 26th?
The poll that was just released was from mid-August, so it still is not going to be a real accurate picture of the electorate.
I haven't seen anything interesting going on here in SWVA either (except Hokie football, which is now ranked 3rd in both polls).
UPDATE: Republitarian says Fulk has begun his TV ads as well. He defines them as "Fulk Bombs Lohr". Here is the link to view the ad (its 4.9 MB, so if you don't have a high-speed connection, I apologize).
Its a pretty well balanced ad. It shows you Fulk and him saving the Hinton poultry plant, and also gives you the rundown of Matt's missed meetings.
I guess this answers the question as to whether Fulk will run negative ads.
posted by GOPHokie @ 1:07 PM
232 Comments:
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Anonymous said…
No doubt Republitarian is going to come up with a horrible Lohr related scandal that's going to rock the Valley and destroy Lohr.
At 9/26/2005 4:15 PM,
Anonymous said…
expect to see Fulk ads soon, Lohr ain't gonna like em
At 9/26/2005 5:01 PM,
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Beware... the Republitarian "knows all"
At 9/26/2005 5:14 PM,
GOPHokie said…
anon 5:15, it will be interesting to see if Fulk goes on the attack.
Lots of people have complained that he hasnt done enough to convince people to vote against Lohr.
It should interesting to see what his ads say.
I actually havent seen the Lohr ads, but I hear they are running now.
At 9/26/2005 5:32 PM,
Anonymous said…
yes it will be interesting to see Lowell's ads. If he goes on the attack, he will go against every public statement he has ever made about politics and how unnecessary negative campaigning is.
According to Lowell, negative campaigning is the purview of the Repubs. How soon he's forgotten his negative ads against Weatherholtz last time around.
Maybe he's hoping he can keep cashing in on the fact that no one pays attention to what he does, only what he says.
At 9/26/2005 5:45 PM,
Anonymous said…
Anon 6:32pm,
What Fulk actually said (many times) was in reference to dishonest negative attack. Been quoted many times, you're having a bit of selective memory.
At 9/26/2005 7:46 PM,
GOPHokie said…
I just know I have heard dems say they think the reason Fulk lost to Weatherholtz was that he didnt run negative ads.
I honestly don't remember whether he did or not, but thats what some people have said.
I personally believe Fulk will need to go negative in order to win.
He has to convince the voters of a reason to vote AGAINST a republican.
Simple as that.
At 9/26/2005 10:25 PM,
Anonymous said…
Talk to alot of dems do we hokie? I'd bet you're in their inner circle.
You are the ultimate oxymoron......
How can you look in the mirror?
Truth ain't in you. I am so dissapointed that you are claiming to be from Broadway. Broadway is a good and honest community.............................................................
At 9/26/2005 11:48 PM,
GOPHokie said…
They have said it on the blogs.
No I do not typically talk to them.
Let me clarify.
I have seen dems posting about the reason they thought Fulk lost was he didnt attack Weatherholtz.
Is that better anon?
At 9/26/2005 11:50 PM,
GOPHokie said…
And by the way, for your info, I have a pretty good friend who is on the dem state central committee.
I just do not speak with that person very much since I am not home very much.
At 9/27/2005 5:20 AM,
Anonymous said…
Fulk did not run any negative ads in '03.
At 9/27/2005 8:02 AM,
Anonymous said…
What about the companion animal mail piece he sent around last time? If that wasn't an attack piece, I don't know what is.
At 9/27/2005 8:07 AM,
Anonymous said…
negative ads do not equal dishonest ads. Saying truthful negative things about an opponents positions or records is not dirty is just politics. Fact is no democrat could likely win in this area unless he is willing to point out some of the absurdities of the republicans. Fulk has consistently said he wanted a truthful campaign. He even asked Lohr to sign a pledge to be truthful in the campaign and Lohr refused.
At 9/27/2005 8:09 AM,
Anonymous said…
As pro-life Dem said, that was a humorous piece that merely pointed out a TRUTHFUL piece of information regarding Weatherholtz's voting record. It was not personally negative towards the Republican. It just said "This is something that the incumbent voted for that 90 other Delegates did not."
At 9/27/2005 8:27 AM,
GOPHokie said…
I agree that negative ads and dishonest ads are two different things.
Even so, if Fulk has made people think he said he would not use negative ads, and then does; that will not bode well for him.
At 9/27/2005 8:38 AM,
Anonymous said…
It depends on how you qualify negative. Is it negative to tell the electorate truthful things about your opponent? What about being comparative and saying "My opponent thinks/did X and I think/did Y." But beyond that, how many points do you score with an electorate by not going negative? Would anyone expect the Hokies to get on the field and say "We're not going to tackle anyone...this game is going to be all about our offense." With the exception of maybe a few political junkies or goo goo media types, I doubt anyone would really vote for or heavily promote a candidacy because somebody promised not to tell voters why not to vote for his opponent.
At 9/27/2005 8:58 AM,
GOPHokie said…
I know some people are sick of negative campaigning (my mother is one of those people), and these types may decide to vote for someone if they make it a point to not do negative ads.
I don't know how big that contingent is though.
By the way, technically the football example isn't totally true.
If you are not running against an incumbent, you don't HAVE TO go negative.
For instance, Gilmore won in 1997 basically on his no car-tax thing.
If you have a really good idea that resonates with people, you don't need negative ads.
I don't think Fulk is in that category though.
He will need to go negative to win.
At 9/27/2005 9:18 AM,
Anonymous said…
Well, the football thing was not a perfect analogy b/c every team has to have an offense and a defense. You're right. But if you're playing, say, Ball State, then you don't really have to bring the heavy hitters on defense. But I was not saying that every candidate has to go negative, my point was that there is nothing inherently wrong or dirty or unethical about saying "here is why you should not vote for my opponent" as opposed to just saying "vote for me."
At 9/27/2005 10:13 AM,
Anonymous said…
I am not saying every candidate should go negative either. Personally, I would love an electorate that compared the candidates on the issues alone. However, that has not nor will ever be true. Elections are one based on impressions. Positive and negative. While I wish there was no negative advertisements, in this area a Democrat could not win without it. No car tax gimmick could not work in a area this overwhelmingly R.
Fulk may lose some votwa because he goes negative, but he definetly loses the election if he doesn't.
At 9/27/2005 11:12 AM,
GOPHokie said…
Yea I think going negative is perfectly fine as well.
At 9/27/2005 11:13 AM,
Anonymous said…
Well, it's not just issues, per se. There's also voting record or record of achievement if one has held public office. Personal character and trustworthiness should also factor. And it's important if the person can be a good leader, and that can be demonstrated in different ways. In that same vein, elections come down to one versus another [or two others in the case of the Gov's race.] It would be nice if the electorate could be depended on to learn everything to make an informed choice, but that's not possible. It is most certainly the responsibility and the burden of the campaigns to inform voters of what they think they should know.
At 9/27/2005 11:27 AM,
GOPHokie said…
Yea. One reason negative ads are usually needed (and work so well) is the the ole saying "when i do something right/good no one remembers, when I do something wrong/bad no one forgets".
Thats the logic in negative ads.
At 9/27/2005 1:07 PM,
Anonymous said…
it's shocking how a bunch of political junkies all think negative advertising is ok, once again the answer hinges on who you ask
At 9/27/2005 1:34 PM,
Megan said…
I don't have a problem with negative campaigning.
Truth hurts.
Lowell is not going negative.....he's just going public.
Just for example, There is no positive way to point out someone is lying...same way with missing work.
At 9/27/2005 3:48 PM,
GOPHokie said…
There is nothing wrong w/ negativity.
If someone isn't fit to be in office, and its true, then the public should know.
That is negative campaigning, but its good.
At 9/27/2005 4:06 PM,
Anonymous said…
Guess this will also show whether or not there is backlash against running negative ads.
At 9/27/2005 6:42 PM,
GOPHokie said…
lol, nice pic NLS.
I will be interested in seeing how people digest this ad.
At 9/27/2005 11:28 PM,
Anonymous said…
Have any of you read the latest edition of Eightyone? I just got off work and stopped by the grocery store for a few things and picked up a copy. OhMyGosh!!!
They provide the entire transcritpt of two debates between Lohr and Fulk and the difference is almost too much to believe. No wonder Lohr has been sending others to speak on his behalf, or just not showing up, there's nothing to him. This is powerful. I wasn't able to be at these debates but now I do know how to vote. For the first time in my life I will vote Democrat.
At 9/29/2005 6:53 AM,
Anonymous said…
I agree with Sandy on the 'Eightyone' piece. It's hard to imagine any undecided voters reading these transcripts coming away voting for Lohr. But then again, how many are likely to take the time?
At 9/30/2005 6:52 AM,
Anonymous said…
You're right. The vast vast majority of voters don't blog, read transcripts, or pay attention to ads. They vote b/c they know it's their civic duty, and many will vote this year to elect a GOP governor [I dont' think the national GOP's issues will play---Tom DeLay has nothing to do with the Commonwealth]
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